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= Предисловие =
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Рекомендации ниже относятся, скорее, к продвинутым пользователям «старой школы». Они наиболее выгодны при постоянном многоразовом применении, поскольку требуют времени на настройку, установку и изучение. Для работы «на один раз» проще и быстрее воспользоваться тем, что предлагает Amara.
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= Почему Word? Преимущества использования Microsoft Word =
 
= Почему Word? Преимущества использования Microsoft Word =
  
[http://translations.ted.com/forums/discussion/78/mozhno-li-recenzirovat-sredstvami-dotsubs Итого], относительно dotSub предложенная схема работы в Ворд имеет следующие преимущества:
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[http://translations.ted.com/forums/discussion/78/mozhno-li-recenzirovat-sredstvami-dotsubs Итого], относительно онлайн предложенная схема работы в Ворд имеет следующие преимущества:
 
* даёт возможность контекстно-зависимого обсуждения
 
* даёт возможность контекстно-зависимого обсуждения
 
* побуждает пару переводчик-редактор обсуждать правки
 
* побуждает пару переводчик-редактор обсуждать правки
 
* графически фиксирует правки с возможностью принятия и отмены
 
* графически фиксирует правки с возможностью принятия и отмены
 
* ускоряет передачу опыта в паре переводчик-редактор в обоих направлениях
 
* ускоряет передачу опыта в паре переводчик-редактор в обоих направлениях
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* оффлайн-редактирование. Преимущества этого могут быть субъективными, но сама возможность может оказаться полезной в целом ряде сценариев, например, для путешествующих, обладающих нестабильным, или дорогим выходом в интернет.
  
= Использование Microsoft Word для совместной работы над переводами =
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= WordSRT =
  
[http://www.ted.com/profiles/translations/id/240507 Namik Kasumov] [http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=43410681471&topic=14072 предложил] использовать для совместной работы Microsoft Word. Алгоритм примерно такой:
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Макрос [[WordSRT]] автоматизирует все процессы, описанныe ниже.
  
# Переводчик экспортирует субтитры из .srt в .doc согласно нижеприведённой инструкции.
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= Инструкции для конвертации =
# Переводчик переводит прямо в .doc
 
# Переводчик и рецензор списываются по почте.
 
# Переводчик присылает документ с переводом.
 
# Рецензор просматривает документ, вносит необходимые изменения, [http://www.computerra.ru/gid/rtfm/office/219898/ используя режим рецензирования]. Он же режим правки или [http://office.microsoft.com/ru-ru/word-help/HA001218995.aspx режим записи исправлений].
 
# Рецензор согласовывает правки с переводчиком.
 
# Рецензор конвертирует субтитры из .doc обратно в .srt и загружает на dotsub.
 
  
= Инструкции для конвертации =
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Инструкции просты, но, будучи расписаны пошагово и в подробностях, они занимают много места и кажутся сложными. Они простые, честно-честно.
  
== Transforming the srt file into a Word table ==
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== Конвертация файла в формате .srt в таблицу в Word ==
  
# Download the ENGLISH srt file from the video page of dotSUB (see also a Note below). <br> [[File:1-download-english-from-dotsub.png]]
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# Download the ENGLISH srt file from the video page on Amara (see also a Note below). <br> [[File:1-download-english-from-amara.png|850px]]
# Open the file with UTF-8 encoding. <br> [[File:2-open-with-word.png]] <br> [[File:3-winword-open-as-utf-8.png]]
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# Open the file with UTF-8 encoding. <br> [[File:2-open-with-word.png|650px]] <br> [[File:3-winword-open-as-utf-8.png|650px]]
# Save it as of Word 97-2002 /… doc version for wider acceptability. Saving as merely rtf is not enough. You can remove _eng from the end of file to indicate that it will contain more than one language. <br> [[File:4-save-as-doc.png]]
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# Save it as of Word 97-2002 /… doc version for wider acceptability. Saving as merely rtf is not enough. You can remove _eng from the end of file to indicate that it will contain more than one language. <br> [[File:4-save-as-doc.png|650px]]
# Ctr+A. Table| Convert| Text to table (=Alt+AVB). Number of columns =4. Press Enter. Here is your table. Hint: I combined this and the next Step into a macro and merely press Alt+Q. <br> [[File:5-select-all.png]]  <br> [[File:6-insert-table.png]] <br> [[File:7-table-column-options.png]]
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# Ctr+A. Table| Convert| Text to table (=Alt+AVB). Number of columns =4. Press Enter. Here is your table. Hint: I combined this and the next Step into a macro and merely press Alt+Q. <br> [[File:5-select-all.png|300px]]  <br> [[File:6-insert-table.png|400px]] <br> [[File:7-table-column-options.png|300px]]
 
# Select column 3.  
 
# Select column 3.  
 
# Reviewers: make another round of Steps 2 and 4 for target language, and insert column 3 into the table exiting from the English round. Close the target-language srt file – no need to save it.  
 
# Reviewers: make another round of Steps 2 and 4 for target language, and insert column 3 into the table exiting from the English round. Close the target-language srt file – no need to save it.  
 
# Format table to your heart’s content: font size, column width etc (see hints in Apx 1)
 
# Format table to your heart’s content: font size, column width etc (see hints in Apx 1)
 
# Format the first two columns (numbers & timing) as you please, but DO NOT touch its content.
 
# Format the first two columns (numbers & timing) as you please, but DO NOT touch its content.
# The two Title lines are separate on dotSUB, so add them manually on top of the table. <br> [[File:8-insert-rows.png]]
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# The two Title lines are separate on Amara, so add them manually on top of the table. <br> [[File:8-insert-rows.png|650px]]
 
# Use the empty column for translation or review. In the latter case, first copy the translation there (see Apx 1)  
 
# Use the empty column for translation or review. In the latter case, first copy the translation there (see Apx 1)  
# Switch Track changes on/off with Alt+Shift+E. Make use of Words formatting possibilities (see Apx 1). <br> [[File:9-track-changes.png]]
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# Switch Track changes on/off with Alt+Shift+E. Make use of Words formatting possibilities (see Apx 1). <br> [[File:9-track-changes.png|400px]]
 
# To automate the reverse process, designate one column as final: here you may use diverse formats, but never leave two options simultaneously, nor comments (see Apx 2).
 
# To automate the reverse process, designate one column as final: here you may use diverse formats, but never leave two options simultaneously, nor comments (see Apx 2).
  
== Transforming the Word table into an srt file ==
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== Конвертация таблицы в Word в файл формата .srt ==
  
 
# Save the file with MS Table to upload under a different name, just in case. E.g. Talk 2publish.doc.  
 
# Save the file with MS Table to upload under a different name, just in case. E.g. Talk 2publish.doc.  
# Open your online line-by-line form on dotSUB, and manually fill the first two title lines with completed translation.
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# Delete all columns except 1 (numbering), 2 (timing), and the one designed as final in item 12 above. <br> [[File:11-remove-columns.png|400px]]
# Delete all columns except 1 (numbering), 2 (timing), and the one designed as final in item 12 above. <br> [[File:11-remove-columns.png]]
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# Delete first two rows, title and resume. <br> [[File:10-remove-title-and-resume.png|650px]]
# Delete first two rows, title and resume. <br> [[File:10-remove-title-and-resume.png]]
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# Add an empty column as Column 4 <br> [[File:12-insert-columns-to-the-right.png|650px]] <br> [[File:13-empty-column-4.png|650px]]
# Add an empty column as Column 4 <br> [[File:12-insert-columns-to-the-right.png]] <br> [[File:13-empty-column-4.png]]
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# Table| Convert| Table to text (=Alt+AVB), Separate text with = “Paragraph marks”, OK. Select All (Ctr+A), and press Ctr+Spacebar – all formatting will be gone. <br> [[File:14-convert-table-to-text.png|650px]]
# Table| Convert| Table to text (=Alt+AVB), Separate text with = “Paragraph marks”, OK. Select All (Ctr+A), and press Ctr+Spacebar – all formatting will be gone. <br> [[File:14-convert-table-to-text.png]]
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# Now the Word file is ready: it should start with a single 1 on the first line, and end with a couple of empty lines; the file consists of 4-line-long packets, each having the right content: number, timing, text, empty line. <br> [[File:19-ready-doc.png|400px]]
# Now the Word file is ready: it should start with a single 1 on the first line, and end with a couple of empty lines; the file consists of 4-line-long packets, each having the right content: number, timing, text, empty line. <br> [[File:19-ready-doc.png]]
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# Save the file as .srt. Notice added .srt extension and quotes around file name - this is to change file extension to .srt. <br> [[File:15-save-as-other-formats.png|400px]] <br> [[File:16-save-as-format-and-name.png|400px]]
# Save the file as .srt. Notice added .srt extension and quotes around file name - this is to change file extension to .srt. <br> [[File:15-save-as-other-formats.png]] <br> [[File:16-save-as-format-and-name.png]]
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# Save and choose unicode encoding UTF-8. Ignore message saying formatting will be lost. Close srt. Close doc. Ignore message saying you have a large clipboard. <br> [[File:17-save-as-unicode.png|400px]]
# Save and choose unicode encoding UTF-8. Ignore message saying formatting will be lost. Close srt. Close doc. Ignore message saying you have a large clipboard. <br> [[File:17-save-as-unicode.png]]
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# Go to your Amara tasks and upload the draft by hovering on Perform Task and choosing Upload Draft. <br> [[File:20-controls-amara.png|400px]]
# Go to your dotSUB line-by-line text, and press Controls in the lower left-hand corner. <br> [[File:20-controls-dotsub.png]]
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# Choose the file. Be careful to choose .srt file for upload. Message should appear about successful upload. <br> [[File:18-choose-srt.png|400px]]
# Import the file. Be careful to choose .srt file for upload. If successful, you will be sent to video. Go back to line-by line file (find the button right on the video page). <br> [[File:21-import-existing-translation.png]] <br> [[File:18-choose-srt.png]]
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# Open your task on Amara, and manually fill the the title and description lines with completed translation.
 
# Push the “Mark translation/revision as complete” button. Say “Thank you” to me. A thought will suffice - don’t clutter my mailbox.
 
# Push the “Mark translation/revision as complete” button. Say “Thank you” to me. A thought will suffice - don’t clutter my mailbox.
  
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Surprisingly, if you keep in front of your eyes parallel texts in other languages it may dramatically increase your quality, and otherwise become a source of joy.  
 
Surprisingly, if you keep in front of your eyes parallel texts in other languages it may dramatically increase your quality, and otherwise become a source of joy.  
 
Which languages should I download? One option is to download Spanish, French or Portuguese: even if you never learned them, these may help with Latin-root synonyms. Another option is a language close to the target language, e.g. Russian with Bulgarian, Dutch with German: completed work may hint as to sentence structure. A third, educational, option is a language which you may know not so good as English: it helps refresh knowledge during mini-breaks, but quite often it opens up alternative re-thinking possibilities with difficult lines.  
 
Which languages should I download? One option is to download Spanish, French or Portuguese: even if you never learned them, these may help with Latin-root synonyms. Another option is a language close to the target language, e.g. Russian with Bulgarian, Dutch with German: completed work may hint as to sentence structure. A third, educational, option is a language which you may know not so good as English: it helps refresh knowledge during mini-breaks, but quite often it opens up alternative re-thinking possibilities with difficult lines.  
Any file, even an incomplete one, in any language is at any time available for anyone to download from dotSUB. You can easily modification the procedure, which will result in just an extra column.
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Files in many languages are available to download from Amara. You can easily modification the procedure, which will result in just an extra column.
  
== Appendix 1. Formatting possibilities. ==
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== Приложение №1. Возможности форматирования ==
 
# Along with usual italics, bold, underline, font colors, there are Strikethrough Double strikethrough etc. For overview, select any word, and press Ctr+D. If you wish to adjust equal width for some, not all, columns by selecting these only, and pressing Right-mouse click+Y. Note also the difference between highlighting words and highlighting cells.
 
# Along with usual italics, bold, underline, font colors, there are Strikethrough Double strikethrough etc. For overview, select any word, and press Ctr+D. If you wish to adjust equal width for some, not all, columns by selecting these only, and pressing Right-mouse click+Y. Note also the difference between highlighting words and highlighting cells.
 
# When reviewing, copy the translation into the empty column and make changes there. Keep this column as final (see item 14 and Apx 2), and use it for comments, together with the English column. Highlight comments for easier detection. (MS Word “Comments” feature seems to be sensitive to versions and to View options).  
 
# When reviewing, copy the translation into the empty column and make changes there. Keep this column as final (see item 14 and Apx 2), and use it for comments, together with the English column. Highlight comments for easier detection. (MS Word “Comments” feature seems to be sensitive to versions and to View options).  
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To save previous screen space, you can make very small font in col. 1 and 2 by selecting them and pressing Ctr+[ or, as need arises, also Crtl+]. However, since from time to time you may need to see the timing, let me share a trick. After the font is indeed small, change its color to light grey so that the content is almost invisible, but then change the color of critical digits to deep blue as follows: select columns 1 and 2 , press Ctr+F, type ^#^#:^#^#, (including comma) into Find what, flag the Highlight all items or press Alt+H for the same effect, press Enter and Esc to leave the Find dialogue box. While all digits are still highlighted, select deep blue font color or anything else per your taste.
 
To save previous screen space, you can make very small font in col. 1 and 2 by selecting them and pressing Ctr+[ or, as need arises, also Crtl+]. However, since from time to time you may need to see the timing, let me share a trick. After the font is indeed small, change its color to light grey so that the content is almost invisible, but then change the color of critical digits to deep blue as follows: select columns 1 and 2 , press Ctr+F, type ^#^#:^#^#, (including comma) into Find what, flag the Highlight all items or press Alt+H for the same effect, press Enter and Esc to leave the Find dialogue box. While all digits are still highlighted, select deep blue font color or anything else per your taste.
  
== Appendix 2. Examples: Good and bad. ==
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== Приложение №2. Примеры: хорошие и плохие ==
 
Note: formatting was restored from plain-text by best-guessing.
 
Note: formatting was restored from plain-text by best-guessing.
 
* Here is a wonderful <del>fantastic</del> piece of advice. ''GOOD'' only after you accept/reject with Track changes.  
 
* Here is a wonderful <del>fantastic</del> piece of advice. ''GOOD'' only after you accept/reject with Track changes.  
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= Дополнительные хитрости =
 
= Дополнительные хитрости =
  
* Вместо портретной ориентации страницы ландшафтная может быть более удобна там, у кого широкие мониторы. Можно также увеличить размер бумаги до A3. Среди преимуществ: более широкие колонки позволяют видеть текст практически в одну строчку
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* Вместо портретной ориентации страницы ландшафтная может быть более удобна тем, у кого широкие мониторы. Можно также увеличить размер бумаги до A3. Среди преимуществ: более широкие колонки позволяют видеть текст практически в одну строчку.
* Субтитры можно проверить как параграф текста. Это удобно чтобы:
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* Субтитры можно проверить как параграф текста. Это удобно, чтобы:
 
** использовать встроенную проверку грамматики,
 
** использовать встроенную проверку грамматики,
** прочитать предложения целиком, проверить согласованность
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** прочитать предложения целиком, проверить согласованность.
  
 
== Конвертация колонки в текст ==
 
== Конвертация колонки в текст ==
  
# Выделить колонку с титрами: <br> [[File:1-conv-column.png]]
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# Выделите колонку с титрами. <br> [[File:1-conv-column.png|400px]]
# Скопировать в новый документ
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# Скопируйте и вставьте в новый документ.
# Убедиться что в документе нет правок и комментариев - они дают лишние пробелы
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# Убедившись, что в документе нет правок и комментариев (они дают лишние пробелы), переконвертируйте колонку в текст, выбрав разделение со знаками параграфа. <br> [[File:2-conv-column.png|600px]]
# Сконвертировать в текст, разделяя параграфами: <br> [[File:2-conv-column.png]]
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# Замените все "^p" на " ". Без кавычек ^p это знаки параграфа, а " " это пробел. <br> [[File:3-conv-column.png|600px]]
# Замена - "^p" на " ". Без кавычек. ^p это параграф, а " " это пробел: <br> [[File:3-conv-column.png]]
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# Отделите название и резюме выступления параграфами.
# Отделить название и резюме выступления параграфами
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# Для проверки орфографии установите русский язык: <br> [[File:4-conv-column.png|600px]]
# Установить русский язык для проверки орфографии: <br> [[File:4-conv-column.png]]
 

Latest revision as of 10:01, 5 May 2015

Предисловие

Рекомендации ниже относятся, скорее, к продвинутым пользователям «старой школы». Они наиболее выгодны при постоянном многоразовом применении, поскольку требуют времени на настройку, установку и изучение. Для работы «на один раз» проще и быстрее воспользоваться тем, что предлагает Amara.

Почему Word? Преимущества использования Microsoft Word

Итого, относительно онлайн предложенная схема работы в Ворд имеет следующие преимущества:

  • даёт возможность контекстно-зависимого обсуждения
  • побуждает пару переводчик-редактор обсуждать правки
  • графически фиксирует правки с возможностью принятия и отмены
  • ускоряет передачу опыта в паре переводчик-редактор в обоих направлениях
  • оффлайн-редактирование. Преимущества этого могут быть субъективными, но сама возможность может оказаться полезной в целом ряде сценариев, например, для путешествующих, обладающих нестабильным, или дорогим выходом в интернет.

WordSRT

Макрос WordSRT автоматизирует все процессы, описанныe ниже.

Инструкции для конвертации

Инструкции просты, но, будучи расписаны пошагово и в подробностях, они занимают много места и кажутся сложными. Они простые, честно-честно.

Конвертация файла в формате .srt в таблицу в Word

  1. Download the ENGLISH srt file from the video page on Amara (see also a Note below).
    1-download-english-from-amara.png
  2. Open the file with UTF-8 encoding.
    2-open-with-word.png
    3-winword-open-as-utf-8.png
  3. Save it as of Word 97-2002 /… doc version for wider acceptability. Saving as merely rtf is not enough. You can remove _eng from the end of file to indicate that it will contain more than one language.
    4-save-as-doc.png
  4. Ctr+A. Table| Convert| Text to table (=Alt+AVB). Number of columns =4. Press Enter. Here is your table. Hint: I combined this and the next Step into a macro and merely press Alt+Q.
    5-select-all.png
    6-insert-table.png
    7-table-column-options.png
  5. Select column 3.
  6. Reviewers: make another round of Steps 2 and 4 for target language, and insert column 3 into the table exiting from the English round. Close the target-language srt file – no need to save it.
  7. Format table to your heart’s content: font size, column width etc (see hints in Apx 1)
  8. Format the first two columns (numbers & timing) as you please, but DO NOT touch its content.
  9. The two Title lines are separate on Amara, so add them manually on top of the table.
    8-insert-rows.png
  10. Use the empty column for translation or review. In the latter case, first copy the translation there (see Apx 1)
  11. Switch Track changes on/off with Alt+Shift+E. Make use of Words formatting possibilities (see Apx 1).
    9-track-changes.png
  12. To automate the reverse process, designate one column as final: here you may use diverse formats, but never leave two options simultaneously, nor comments (see Apx 2).

Конвертация таблицы в Word в файл формата .srt

  1. Save the file with MS Table to upload under a different name, just in case. E.g. Talk 2publish.doc.
  2. Delete all columns except 1 (numbering), 2 (timing), and the one designed as final in item 12 above.
    11-remove-columns.png
  3. Delete first two rows, title and resume.
    10-remove-title-and-resume.png
  4. Add an empty column as Column 4
    12-insert-columns-to-the-right.png
    13-empty-column-4.png
  5. Table| Convert| Table to text (=Alt+AVB), Separate text with = “Paragraph marks”, OK. Select All (Ctr+A), and press Ctr+Spacebar – all formatting will be gone.
    14-convert-table-to-text.png
  6. Now the Word file is ready: it should start with a single 1 on the first line, and end with a couple of empty lines; the file consists of 4-line-long packets, each having the right content: number, timing, text, empty line.
    19-ready-doc.png
  7. Save the file as .srt. Notice added .srt extension and quotes around file name - this is to change file extension to .srt.
    15-save-as-other-formats.png
    16-save-as-format-and-name.png
  8. Save and choose unicode encoding UTF-8. Ignore message saying formatting will be lost. Close srt. Close doc. Ignore message saying you have a large clipboard.
    17-save-as-unicode.png
  9. Go to your Amara tasks and upload the draft by hovering on Perform Task and choosing Upload Draft.
    20-controls-amara.png
  10. Choose the file. Be careful to choose .srt file for upload. Message should appear about successful upload.
    18-choose-srt.png
  11. Open your task on Amara, and manually fill the the title and description lines with completed translation.
  12. Push the “Mark translation/revision as complete” button. Say “Thank you” to me. A thought will suffice - don’t clutter my mailbox.

PT. A note on parallel texts.

Surprisingly, if you keep in front of your eyes parallel texts in other languages it may dramatically increase your quality, and otherwise become a source of joy. Which languages should I download? One option is to download Spanish, French or Portuguese: even if you never learned them, these may help with Latin-root synonyms. Another option is a language close to the target language, e.g. Russian with Bulgarian, Dutch with German: completed work may hint as to sentence structure. A third, educational, option is a language which you may know not so good as English: it helps refresh knowledge during mini-breaks, but quite often it opens up alternative re-thinking possibilities with difficult lines. Files in many languages are available to download from Amara. You can easily modification the procedure, which will result in just an extra column.

Приложение №1. Возможности форматирования

  1. Along with usual italics, bold, underline, font colors, there are Strikethrough Double strikethrough etc. For overview, select any word, and press Ctr+D. If you wish to adjust equal width for some, not all, columns by selecting these only, and pressing Right-mouse click+Y. Note also the difference between highlighting words and highlighting cells.
  2. When reviewing, copy the translation into the empty column and make changes there. Keep this column as final (see item 14 and Apx 2), and use it for comments, together with the English column. Highlight comments for easier detection. (MS Word “Comments” feature seems to be sensitive to versions and to View options).
  3. Here is a “wonderful piece of advice”.

To save previous screen space, you can make very small font in col. 1 and 2 by selecting them and pressing Ctr+[ or, as need arises, also Crtl+]. However, since from time to time you may need to see the timing, let me share a trick. After the font is indeed small, change its color to light grey so that the content is almost invisible, but then change the color of critical digits to deep blue as follows: select columns 1 and 2 , press Ctr+F, type ^#^#:^#^#, (including comma) into Find what, flag the Highlight all items or press Alt+H for the same effect, press Enter and Esc to leave the Find dialogue box. While all digits are still highlighted, select deep blue font color or anything else per your taste.

Приложение №2. Примеры: хорошие и плохие

Note: formatting was restored from plain-text by best-guessing.

  • Here is a wonderful fantastic piece of advice. GOOD only after you accept/reject with Track changes.
  • Here is a (wonderful) fantastic piece of advice. BAD because of extra work of deleting.
  • Here is a fantastic piece of advice. GOOD because all formatting will be gone. Here, there was no comment.
  • Here is a fantastic piece of advice. For me, wonderful sounds out of place here GOOD if commented elsewhere.
  • Here is a wonderful piece of advice. Don’t you think fantastic would be better? GOOD if commented elsewhere.
  • Here is a wonderful (piece of) advice. BAD while parenthesis will stay.
  • Here is a wonderful piece of advice. BAD: Formatting includes strikethrough and will restore previous version.

Дополнительные хитрости

  • Вместо портретной ориентации страницы ландшафтная может быть более удобна тем, у кого широкие мониторы. Можно также увеличить размер бумаги до A3. Среди преимуществ: более широкие колонки позволяют видеть текст практически в одну строчку.
  • Субтитры можно проверить как параграф текста. Это удобно, чтобы:
    • использовать встроенную проверку грамматики,
    • прочитать предложения целиком, проверить согласованность.

Конвертация колонки в текст

  1. Выделите колонку с титрами.
    1-conv-column.png
  2. Скопируйте и вставьте в новый документ.
  3. Убедившись, что в документе нет правок и комментариев (они дают лишние пробелы), переконвертируйте колонку в текст, выбрав разделение со знаками параграфа.
    2-conv-column.png
  4. Замените все "^p" на " ". Без кавычек ^p — это знаки параграфа, а " " — это пробел.
    3-conv-column.png
  5. Отделите название и резюме выступления параграфами.
  6. Для проверки орфографии установите русский язык:
    4-conv-column.png